Children and Young People Committee |
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Committee Room 3 - Senedd |
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Meeting date: |
Thursday, 24 October 2013 |
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Meeting time: |
09:03 - 12:02 |
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This meeting can be viewed on Senedd TV at: |
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Concise Minutes: |
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Assembly Members: |
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Ann Jones (Chair) Angela Burns Keith Davies Suzy Davies Rebecca Evans Bethan Jenkins Lynne Neagle David Rees Aled Roberts Simon Thomas |
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Witnesses: |
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Huw Lewis, Minister for Education and Skills Grace Martins, Senior Lawyer, Welsh Government Simon Morea, Welsh Government Gemma Nye, Welsh Government Ceri Planchant, Welsh Government Emma Williams, Welsh Government Mair Roberts, Welsh Government Andrew Clark, Deputy Director Further Education and Apprenticeship Division, Welsh Government Marcus Richards, Welsh Government |
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Committee Staff: |
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Bethan Davies (Second Clerk) Sarah Bartlett (Deputy Clerk) Stephen Davies (Legal Advisor) Michael Dauncey (Researcher) |
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Transcript
View the meeting transcript.
1 Introductions, apologies and substitutions
The Chair welcomed Members and the Public to the meeting. There were no apologies.
2 Education (Wales) Bill: Stage 1- Evidence session - Minister for Education and Skills
The Committee heard evidence the Minister for Education and Skills on the Bill. The Minister agreed to provide the following information:
A full list of respondents to the Education (Wales) Bill consultation;
An explanation as to what it required under the section 160 process compared with that of the section 347 application;
Further clarification on the process of moving SEN children between local authorities.
3 Further and Higher Education ( Governance and Information) (Wales) Bill - Stage 2: Consideration of Amendments
The Chair said that the Committee would consider the amendments in the following order:
Sections 1 – 11
Schedules 1 and 2
The Committee disposed of the following amendments:
Sections 1, 2 and 3: No amendments were tabled to these sections, therefore these sections were deemed agreed.
Section: 4:
Amendment 4, was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34 (i).
Section 5 & 6: No amendments were tabled to these sections, therefore these sections were deemed agreed.
Section 7:
Amendment 1 – Simon Thomas
For |
Against |
Abstain |
Simon Thomas Bethan Jenkins Aled Roberts Angela Burns Suzy Davies |
Ann Jones Keith Davies Rebecca Evans Lynne Neagle David Rees |
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5 |
5 |
0 |
As there was an equality of votes, the Chair cast her vote in the negative, in accordance with Standing Orders 17.37 and 6.20(ii). |
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Amendment 7 was not agreed. |
Sections 8 and 9: No amendments were tabled to these sections, therefore these sections were deemed agreed.
Amendment 9 was withdrawn in accordance with Standing Order 26.66
New Section
Amendment 10 – Aled Roberts
For |
Against |
Abstain |
Suzy Davies Angela Burns Aled Roberts Bethan Jenkins Simon Thomas |
Ann Jones Keith Davies Rebecca Evans Lynne Neagle David Rees |
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5 |
5 |
0 |
As there was an equality of votes, the Chair cast her vote in the negative, in accordance with Standing Orders 17.37 and 6.20(ii). |
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Amendment 10 was not agreed. |
Amendment 13, was not moved, in accordance with Standing Order 26.65.
Amendment 14, was not moved, in accordance with Standing Order 26.65.
New Section
Amendment 15 – Bethan Jenkins
For |
Against |
Abstain |
Bethan Jenkins Simon Thomas |
Ann Jones Keith Davies Rebecca Evans Lynne Neagle David Rees Suzy Davies Angela Burns Aled Roberts |
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2 |
8 |
0 |
Amendment 15 was not agreed. |
Section 10:
Amendment 11 – Aled Roberts
For |
Against |
Abstain |
Simon Thomas Bethan Jenkins Aled Roberts Angela Burns Suzy Davies |
Ann Jones Keith Davies Rebecca Evans Lynne Neagle David Rees |
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5 |
5 |
0 |
As there was an equality of votes, the Chair cast her vote in the negative, in accordance with Standing Orders 17.37 and 6.20(ii). |
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Amendment 11 was not agreed. |
Section 11 & 12: No amendments were tabled to these sections, therefore these sections were deemed agreed.
Schedule 1:
Amendment 2 – Simon Thomas
For |
Against |
Abstain |
Simon Thomas Bethan Jenkins Aled Roberts Angela Burns Suzy Davies |
Ann Jones Keith Davies Rebecca Evans Lynne Neagle David Rees |
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5 |
5 |
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As there was an equality of votes, the Chair cast her vote in the negative, in accordance with Standing Orders 17.37 and 6.20(ii). |
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Amendment 8 was not agreed. |
Amendment 8 – Angela Burns
For |
Against |
Abstain |
Simon Thomas Bethan Jenkins Aled Roberts Angela Burns Suzy Davies |
Ann Jones Keith Davies Rebecca Evans Lynne Neagle David Rees |
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5 |
5 |
0 |
As there was an equality of votes, the Chair cast her vote in the negative, in accordance with Standing Orders 17.37 and 6.20(ii). |
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Amendment 8 was not agreed. |
Amendment 5 was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34 (i)
Amendment 6 – Huw Lewis
For |
Against |
Abstain |
Ann Jones Keith Davies Rebecca Evans Lynne Neagle David Rees |
Simon Thomas Bethan Jenkins Aled Roberts Angela Burns Suzy Davies |
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5 |
5 |
0 |
As there was an equality of votes, the Chair cast her vote in the negative, in accordance with Standing Orders 17.37 and 6.20(ii). |
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Amendment 6 was not agreed. |
Amendment 3 was withdrawn in accordance with Standing Order 26.66
Amendment 7 was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34 (i)
Amendment 12 – Bethan Jenkins
For |
Against |
Abstain |
Bethan Jenkins Simon Thomas Aled Roberts |
Ann Jones Keith Davies Rebecca Evans Lynne Neagle David Rees Suzy Davies Angela Burns |
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3 |
7 |
0 |
Amendment 12 was not agreed. |
Schedule 2: No amendments were tabled to this schedule, therefore this schedule is deemed agreed.
The Bill, as amended, was deemed agreed.
The Committee agreed a revised Explanatory Memorandum (Standing Order 26.27) was not required.
The Chair informed the Committee that Stage 3 proceedings for the Bill would begin on Friday, 25 October 2013. The Chair informed Members that the deadline for tabling amendments at Stage 3 would be issued in due course.
4 Education (Wales) Bill : Stage 1 - consideration of key issues
Due to time constraints the Committee was unable to discuss the key issues. They agreed that they would be considered at the meeting on 6 November.
5 Welsh Government draft budget proposals for 2014-15 - consideration of draft letters
Due to time constraints the Committee was unable to discuss the draft letters and agreed that the draft letters would be circulated to Members out of committee for comment.